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Delete permissions

I can't seem to be able to delete pages anymore. Oh, and it looks like I could not edit your talk page while anonymous, is this intended? Tihocan 13:35, April 20, 2006 (EDT)

I just cleared network permissions; failed to set everything back up again, sorry. Also, anonymous editing here is disabled - look at this page history; some weird foreign bot was vandalizing just this page over and over; and it had it's own da*n DHCP server so it's IP was dynamic. Oh well - re-set you as 'crat on ddowiki. Elliott Cable ✆ ✍ 14:19, April 20, 2006 (EDT)

Hmm, still not working, is it supposed to be fixed now? If not, would you be able to delete Ability on DDOWiki, then move Abilities to Ability? Thanks Tihocan 15:50, April 26, 2006 (EDT)

Problems with the table and your user ID, fixed it I think. Test it out. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:10, April 26, 2006 (EDT)

Still not working (I manually added &action=delete in the url, since I saw no delete button, and I get a permission denied message). Tihocan 10:47, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

Ok, should be fixed now; I swear! Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:36, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

Wooohoooo it works indeed :] Thanks! Tihocan 15:21, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

Looks like I can't delete pages anymore again. By the way, looks like this page no longer redirects to your meta talk page. Seems to be the same for me now. Is this intended? Tihocan 15:17, May 24, 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, I cleared the permissions cache again - it's easier than trying to set it all up individually again on each wiki. You've got 'crat on DDO Wiki and Sysop on meta back. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:32, May 24, 2006 (EDT)

Hmm.. still says I'm not allowed to. Tihocan 13:26, May 25, 2006 (EDT)

This time I did it BEFORE replying - dang I'm distractible! Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 17:56, May 26, 2006 (EDT)

Hehe... are you sure? :P Still can't delete DDO:Template:Sitemap (redirect page) Tihocan 14:26, May 29, 2006 (EDT)

I deleted it, but you defiantly should be able to delete pages right now. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 00:17, May 30, 2006 (EDT)

Yup, working now, thanks :) Tihocan 12:05, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

Should I be able to delete guilds on the guild list? Under Thelanis "The Church of Tyrilath" is gone, and "Crimson Nexus" has merged with "Roleplayers Syndicate" Sojourner9 09:46, December 26, 2006 (EST)

You need Superuser permissions to delete pages (and deleting the guilds' page removes it from the guild listing). If you're willing to take on the reponsibility, I'd be glad to match your permission set. [e] · t & c 18:40, December 26, 2006 (EST)

Sonil's password

Sonil msged me on the DDO forums: I seem to have forgotten what my DDO password is (username Sonil). I go to "email password" and it says it sent it, but I never receive the email.... Could you either (1) check the email password feature is not broken, or (2) Reset his email to his username (will tell him to change it as soon as possible). Thanks! Tihocan 09:11, April 26, 2006 (EDT)

Get him to e-mail me, or contact me somehow. He had no e-mail address set in the database. I set his e-mail temporarily to my e-mail and reset his password; as soon as he e-mails or IMs me I'lol give him his new one. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 11:52, April 26, 2006 (EDT)

He e-mailed me, and I believe it is fixed. If it's ok with you, tiho, could you test the reset system with your account? Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 15:53, April 26, 2006 (EDT)

Ok, will try it later if I don't forget ;)

Editing sections

The "Edit" links to edit sections in a page don't seem to work anymore (try on this page for instance). Tihocan 10:47, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

They're temporarily broke, till I can restart the server... )-: Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:34, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

Ok -- Tihocan 15:21, May 1, 2006 (EDT)

Lost track of this conversation - is this still broken? Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 00:22, May 30, 2006 (EDT)

Spell Categorization

Hey there, the spell descriptions are very messy atm, there's this whole 4-5 lines of [[Category:etcetc]] at the end of most spell descriptions, and I have no idea where they are coming from - they don't show up at the edit pages. I was going to try categorizing spells according to components, durations and etc but in the current state I don't see that possible. Can you clarify how those pages are working? Thanks Waaagh 09:19, May 28, 2006 (EDT)

Yes, I noticed that too.. Looks like there is some automatic categorization going on, but not really working at the moment, as far as I can see ;) Tihocan 14:27, May 29, 2006 (EDT)

Can you link one? Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 00:17, May 30, 2006 (EDT)

http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Magic_missile that's one, but basically every spell page has that thing going on. ;p --Waaagh 10:23, May 31, 2006 (EDT)

Oh yeah, people broke it. Great. Well somebody needs to go through and fix the links - that's where the problem lies, not in the template; people put something like |components=[[v]], [[s]], [[m]] when it should be just |components=v, s, m - putting irrational links in the template calls TOTALLY breaks things. Ah well, looks like a big muck-up to me. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:48, May 31, 2006 (EDT)

Ok, this merits a new thread. Hmm. Things are all messed up, all over the spells with templates, categories, SPANs - all screwed over. So what I'm thinking - I can write a very advanced template to run with this, and it'd work great, but changing it that much would break all the CURRENT spell pages; so I think I'll write a new infobox-spell template, and we can gradually phase over to it's use, ok? Only problem is this will be based on sub-templates and if/thens and variable defaults, altogether meaning more confusion for the end-user-editor stereotype, which is what I'm trying to avoid. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:54, May 31, 2006 (EDT)

Strange robot action

I noticed some odd bestiary category entries on the Monsters page made by a robot. What are these and is there something i need to fix to prevent more happening?

1. (diff) (hist) . . Nm Category:Bestiary temp2; 07:48 . . Peerless (Talk | contribs) (Robot: Moved from Category:Bestiary. Authors: Robin)
2. (diff) (hist) . . Nm Category:Bestiary Temp; 07:44 . . Peerless (Talk | contribs) (Robot: Moved from Category:Bestiary. Authors: Robin)
3. (diff) (hist) . . Nm Category:BestiaryTemp; 07:42 . . Peerless (Talk | contribs) (Robot: Moved from Category:Bestiary. Authors: Robin)

Murrgghh, I thought i fixed all that thing's damage - broke stuff again, the 'bot totally broke down. Revert anything it actually messed up, quite sorry... was trying to switch category: monsters and category: bestiary - a bestiary is a list of monsters by category, whereas I *GUESS* if we really need just an all-out list of monsters, it should be put at category: monsters, even though category: spells and everything else is currently sub-categorized too - why *do* we have a separate category that simply lists all monsters now, anyway? 11:45, June 5, 2006 (EDT)

The Monsters category has lists of monsters broken down in different ways as well as a link to the full list of monsters. The full list of monsters is in the Bestiary which is now updated automatically by the wiki instead of being manually updated by an editor.

If you just want to view the monsters by name then Bestiary is where you should go. If you want to see the monsters filtered in different ways, e.g. giants only or lawful only or all, then the available "filters", i.e categories, are in Monsters. Tidy and convenient.

Previously, the bestiary was manually updated by an editor which included manually sorting alphabetically and managing column layout. Wasn't overly keen on that. For a short time many monsters were placed on the Monsters page but then you didn't have a single list of monsters: there was the list of breakdowns at the top. Robin 12:51, June 5, 2006 (EDT)

I think we need, I don't know - that's not the best solution as it is, we need to re-construct that; I am thinking use the monsters category, then an NCL - that will list all the monsters on one page, but still keep them organized by type. Then somebody can just Ctrl+F (Cmd+F on a mac like mine) for it, or just browse down. I am thinking also a list by Category:Monsters/All or something for an alphabetized list alone. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 13:04, June 5, 2006 (EDT)

Those NCLs are cool. Robin 09:02, June 6, 2006 (EDT)

Monster links

Could you please update the site navigation panel to include a link to the Monsters page? «robin» talk 12:55, June 8, 2006 (EDT)

See your user_talk page (-; _-¯Elliott Cable ~ ‹talk› ~ ‹contribs›¯-_ 13:23, June 8, 2006 (EDT)

I went through orphaned pages on the ddo wiki to locate old monsters that i had superceded. I noticed there are a number of monsters (humans, halflings, etc.) that are shown as being orphaned but are definitely linked to by other pages - is there something that needs to be synchronised? I also noticed the home page stats have not been updated for three days so if you can take a look i'd appreciate it! «robin» talk 09:44, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

Hmmm I don't quite understand - you can link across wikis, like [[DDO:Special:Orphanedpages]] makes DDO:Special:Orphanedpages and so on. Anyway, what do you mean by home page stats? I don't like problems with my wiki! Link some exact errors if you can, or take a screenshot and circle them in paint and upload to IMGwiki. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:52, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

The Statistics in the top left of the ddo wiki home page had not been updated since the 9th June but i just did a check and noticed nothing had changed since then so that explains why the date and number of articles had not been updated.

I'll investigate the orphansed pages but basically i thought some were appearing in the list of orphans even though they had links within the ddo wiki to the bestiary, a monster category, etc.. I'll check them out again. «robin» talk 14:50, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

The statistics box works fine for me - it's live and fine. And I haven't checked the orphaned pages page, but I expect it is fine too - i think a change i must have made to the wiki somewhere is no loner correctly invalidating your page cache, same thing happened to tihocan (see below) try clearing your page cache and load those two pages again (home and orphaned pages) WOW Déja Vu! Crazy - anyway, reload your browsers' caches. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 14:55, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

Messed up DDO Wiki display with Firefox

Has anything been modified in the last couple of hours on the DDO Wiki? Somehow the whole display is messed up in my Firefox. Weirdly enough, it works fine on the meta wiki. It may be me who clicked on the wrong button though, I'm going to try to see if I can get it fixed... Tihocan 12:07, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

I deleted cookies, cleared the cache, restarted Firefox, and it's working now, so... never mind :] Tihocan 12:12, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

LOL ooookay, tihocan - wahtever you say. Whatever, you, say. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:53, June 12, 2006 (EDT)

$1 not working

Apparently, $1's supposed to be replaced with the page title, however it doesn't seem to work. See this is a $1 for instance. This makes the "create this article" link on a search page not working. Tihocan 11:15, June 16, 2006 (EDT)

In the system in some places, variables are sent to the system messages - say <?php wfMsgWikiHTML ( 'notfound', 'The term you searched for' ) ?> - in that case, the $1 would be replaced with 'The term you searched for' so the final output would be * You can [[The term you searched for|create this article]]. I've sent a mail into the mailing list about it, waiting for a reply - it's over my head. I hacked for at least an hour at this particular bug, but no go. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:19, June 16, 2006 (EDT)

Adding a Guild

Tried to add info about our Guild, but it doesn't seem to be displaying correctly. Guild is Crimson Nexus on Thelanis. It shows up on http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Category:Guilds but not on http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Guilds -- Sojourner9

Yeah. It's there for me. Reset your cache. (hold down shift and click reload) Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:35, June 30, 2006 (EDT)

Stupid Internet Explorer (could never be my own user error). Thanks. -- Sojourner9

No problem. Make sure to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) please, thanks! Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 12:54, June 30, 2006 (EDT)

DnD not working

Hello. I edited several months ago an article on a campaign setting on the DnD mini site, but due to personal issues, the project got delayed. Now, a week ago I tried to continue expanding the article, but the DnD site appears to be down! Is this going to be fixed soon? -- Large

Hey - do you use MSN or AIM or ICQ? If so, can you contact me on one of those so we can discuss this? Thanks mate, sorry for the inconvience but its a rather sensitive topic ^^/ Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 02:14, August 16, 2006 (EDT)

Adding Borders to Trap and Lock tables

I've been working on the Traps and Locks project for a little while, now. One of the things that I'm running into is that, as the tables get larger and larger with more data, they're becoming more difficult to read. Take a look at the quest Redfang the Unruled, for example. That quest has a lot of traps and I'm starting to get data in there that covers multiple difficulty levels. Is there any way that the "Trap DC Table" tag can be modified to include internal borders? I think that might make the page more readable. Thanks. Mcglonec 13:30, August 30, 2006 (EDT)

I'm looking into it. I'll reply with more info after I examine the situation. Thanks for the heads-up. One thing to remember is that you are now on the metawiki (look at the URL - meta.enterwiki.net, not ddo.enterwiki.net) and thus to link to DDO pages, you need to prefix them with DDO: - for example, your first link should have been [[DDO:DDO information project/Traps and locks|Traps and Locks]] instead. Just thought I'd let you know (-: Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:30, August 30, 2006 (EDT)

Ah. I was wondering why those links weren't working. I've fixed them, for now, but I suspect you already looked at what I was referring to. Just let me know if you find anything out regarding those tables. Thanks.

hehe no problem, Im movin this whole set of discussions over to the appropriate talk page. Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 16:57, August 30, 2006 (EDT)

Merging Pages

I was entering some data and I found two pages that both provide information regarding the "Catacombs" story arc. You can find both "Catacombs" and "The Catacombs". They both have some good information on them. Is it possible to merge the two and make one redirect to the other?

It is not possible to AUTOMATICALLY merge them, of course, but you can merge the content manually into one of them (Ask Tihocan which to keep as the page name) then add this conten to redirect the other one:

#Redirect [[Pagename]]

That has to be the only content on the page, and it has to be on the first line - then it will atomatically redirect to Pagename. Also make sure no redirects are pointing to the one your redirect, as double-level redirects break - click the "What Links Here" link on the sidebar to be sure.

One last thing - make sure to sign your talk page posts at the end, with the characters ~~~~ - just so you know! I had to go into the page history to see who you were hehe (-: Elliott Cable ‹talk› ‹contribs› 14:41, September 7, 2006 (EDT)

Updating Site Navigation

I was going to try to add a link to the site navigation to the new Quest categories I've been creating. As it is now, one must first click on Places before going to categories and that never seemed very intuitive, to me. In addition, the only way to view quests was by location of bestower. I've been adding a number of categories so that the quests can be arranged alphabetically, by location, by level, or by patron system. You can find them at the following links:

Quests

Quests by location

Quests by level

Quests by patron

I've also created one category that all of these belong to:

Quest groupings

I thought it might be helpful to have one of these links (probably either "Quests" or "Quest groupings") on the sidebar. I went to edit it, but found that the Sidebar page is locked for editing. Any chance you could add one of these pages to the sidebar? I'll leave it up to you to decide which one you'd prefer to link to.

Mcglonec 15:23, September 27, 2006 (EDT)

Well I guess I can edit it myself but I can't find where to go to edit it, any hint? Tihocan 12:16, October 27, 2006 (EDT)

lol tihocan, you make me laugh: ddo:MediaWiki:Sidebar <-- dat widget! Edit it! Only (logged-in) admins can of course lol [e] · t & c 11:09, October 31, 2006 (EST)

Wiki poll

Dude, please email me regarding the DDO wiki poll. Thanks. «robin» talk 14:06, December 8, 2006 (EST)

I added you on MSN. [e] · t & c 14:08, December 8, 2006 (EST)

Anonymous users

Re: "last gasp". You say "others must work to publicize the ddo wiki". That's not entirely true, there is much you can do to make the page more useful and accessible to readers. Specifically, there is the suggestion I made 2 months ago, just as DDO was launching: the main page is not "usable" (where "usability" is as described by HCI / web interface experts).

Multiple ways to evaluate the usability of the front page for attracting readers vs editors. First, make a screenshot and mark off rectangles according to which they are more useful for. Look at each sub-frame and ask if it is meant to attract contributors, or advertise content to readers. On the front page, more than 80% is asking for contribution, not advertising what's there. That ratio is backwards. Look at a successful wiki (like wikipedia) to see it done right. (Even a page like planetquake.com is somewhat better)

Second, think about the most original content ddowiki offers... that is, materials which are not approximately equivalent to the official "Compendium" on ddo.com. Now count the number of clicks it takes to find that material from the front page. Try this with the PNP differences list, or the unique quest rewards list. They are very interesting/useful conent, which many players will like as reference material... and yet, they're not easy to find.

Third, what about other kind of info players would want... late-breaking stuff, or patch notes, or historical news. Such as the fairly major change to Web on the apr19 update (Giant-class monsters are now totally immune). Ideally, that news titbit would be not only accurately reflected in the ddowiki spell lists, but also called out in a special "hot news" block on the front page.

 - 24.62

That notice was old... and about the design and content on the main page, we know it sucks. We know it needs to be changed. We know it doesn't achieve it's purpose. We jsut don't know how to fix it. If you think you can create a good main page, well - heck! Go for it! That's why I left it unprotected. Implement what you just said. I was in the middle of a re-format of the skin when you left this note, you may have seen the down notice - so I have to go finish that; but any modifications to the main page would be quite welcome. Also, I did my best to refrain from blowing up this time, but in the future... please don't mention wikipedia to me, unless it is an example of a failed and horribly managed site. Thanks. Also, do you have IRC or an IM service? I'd like your help re-doing the main page; it'd be better to work together on it I think... Elliott Cable ✆ ✍ 23:04, April 21, 2006 (EDT)

Safely the main page is non-trivial. Re: "don't mention wikipedia". Regardless of whatever else might be wrong with it, wikipedia attracts a many contributors, and many many more readers. So in terms of getting people to read it, they must be doing something right.

Whatever about wikipedia. I *understand* the need for changes to the main page - I just don't know exactly what to do. I'm sure I could spend some time and figure it out, but I am horrendously busy with all this... what does 'Safely the main page is non-trivial' mean? Elliott Cable ✆ ✍ 14:28, April 22, 2006 (EDT)

Can't login

Hey Peerless, this is gracefool. Thanks for the reminder, but since the site design I can't login o_O. I tried having the password sent to me, but I didn't get any email. No edits have been made since I last logged in so I doubt my account was hijacked. Any help is appreciated. 202.124.115.48 09:57, April 22, 2006 (EDT)

I'll e-mail me so we can discuss this. Nice to see you back. Are you planning to work on DNDwiki? That'd be grad - it's my pet, the heart and beginning of this whole project; I've just been too busy to add to it since we switched from just a DND+DDO site to a network )-: Elliott Cable ✆ ✍ 14:28, April 22, 2006 (EDT)

...I'll e-mail me? Nice one, Elliott ^^; - anyway, I checked the table. The problem in your case is that you never entered an e-mail address. I originally had an e-mail address REQUIRED to edit; but I disabled that in our spirit of TOTAL freedom of editing - anyway, I temporarily reset your e-mail to my e-mail directly from the command line, and reset your password - if you'd be kind enough as to e-mail me at the e-mail address listed on my userpage, or contact me otherwise, I'll give you your new password. May I suggest you change your password and enter an e-mail address this time? Hehe, thanks for letting me know about this (-: Elliott Cable ✆ ✍ 19:36, April 22, 2006 (EDT)